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the long warred's avatar

You’re looking for Iron Rules?

Don’t send me to links, answer or don’t, this is the extent of my homework today. You completely ignored my points on America being Federated for all its history back to the Iroquois, and sent me to extracts of Machiavelli and worse Italian theorists. For real Machiavelli in practice read his diplomatic letters…. Iron my foot.

Are you an academic? Because this is academia searching for meaning, and determinism.

Free will wins out. Ask any warlord, even the greatest warlord and tyrant in history, Chinghis Khan of the Mongols, who molded his entire nation into a military unit down to the family, who were 10 man squads, whose leaders all provided their share and did labor themselves (? True Communism? 🤔) had to bow to political vagaries.

Ok. Iron Oligarchy? Show me this happens in Israel? Or within Hilltop youth?

Certainly it never happened in America. Wilson appeared to have it 1917-1918 and then he didn’t. Even Stalin ! didn’t have this Iron Oligarchy, and without enormous distance, 800 divisions and a vacillating Strategic opponent in Hitler whose own people were undermining him from Go (undermining does work) Stalin still barely made it.

This simply doesn’t work in real life. Certainly not in America.

Mind you I am fair. We now have some Oligarchs emerging, perhaps time will prove you more correct. There will however not be ever an actual Iron Oligarchy running America CONUS. This would be true even if Spanish had won, or the Chinese Treasure fleet… in 1462 kept going.

Even Bismarck had to accept many constraints, and he was Germany.

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immanuel_kan't's avatar

Just thinking out loud:

As the example Herod and the romans demonstrates a tyrant/oligarchy needs foreign support to stay in power. Gaining the support of foreigners is easier for people who don't care about Jewish observance. Why is that? As many gentiles have pointed out, the mere observance of jewish law, kashrut, sabbath etc causes the jews to become separate and unable to assimilate. This causes a barrier for religious jews to socialise and lobby gentiles but makes it much easier for the atheist to curry favour with foreign governments.

Of course as a religious jew there is something distasteful, probably even sinful, in trying to gain the support of a foreign government. The end result is that you are restricted to whatever support interested Jews themselves will provide. You had discussed the issue of fundraising a while back.

The atheist will always have a -short term- advantage over the religious jew simply because he is able to draw on the resources of every foreign government who is interested in extending their influence into the holy land, which is everyone.

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