😂😂😂 i read (and translated) his article. I used a free unlock to read the rest of it only for him to admit that actually he doesn't have the stomach for war. I don't blame him, war is terrible and scary. But so is being kidnapped, murdered, or hit by a rocket. Coming back to your article and rereading the title "Genocide isn't nice" put a big smile on my face. Your article did not disappoint.
Yeah, you nailed it. War isn't fun, it's terrible and scary, but so is being kidnapped,murdered, or hit by a rocket, all signaling what? That we're already at war.
Some day people like the Doc will realize that we're already at war and the only reason we suffer the limited expressions of it is because soldiers are winning elsewhere.
There is only one reason for applying the ridiculous "moral" codes to warfare in the present era and that is to tie Israel's hands, to keep it from winning any wars. I have yet to see any country, except Israel abide by those mendacious codes that lead one of the parties in war to sacrifice its own soldiers and populations for the purpose of sparing those of the enemy.
In Israel the entrenched Left, or as I refer to them, the Stewards (Lord of the Rings III) insist on abiding by those immoral codes, because they wish to keep the Right wing governments that the people keep electing, from ever decisively winning. The results that we have seen over the past decades indicate the goal. It's gotten to the point where there are those on the left who openly admit that they consider religious Jews and Jews on the Right to be a greater threat to them than the Arabs.
Among our frenemies the insistence on Israel abiding by this code is entirely hypocritical and can be dismissed forthwith. Even as Israel sacrificed its precious fathers and sons to ensure minimum "collateral" casualties in the Gaza hell-hole, most countries embargoed us nonetheless.
Should any government in Israel ever come to its senses and shift the responsibility for our enemies' "innocents" back to our enemies where it belongs, we will find that - other than Israel's Stewards - the rest of the world will respect, rather than abhor, us for it. There is nothing like showing some self-respect for gaining the respect of others.
As to Matindale, I checked out his substack page. If the man was any fuller of hot air, he'd float away and no longer trouble us with his "nonZionism" and "Israel-Palestine" nonsense. Narcissism doesn't begin to describe his mental condition.
I hesitate to comment, being from the land of the Bad Orange Man, but I am forced to observe that no one in the modern Middle East has to deal with the Catheginans. There's a reason for that.
If one seeks to know the ins and outs, as it were, of "faggotry", one needn't look further than the stony halls of Oxbridge, where, for close to a millennium, a frenzied chorus of "pull his pants down" has echoed about the goth and gargoyle of those once fine institutions.
No business owner would ever hire someone who came in with a smug, I-know-how-to-run-the-business-more-ethically-than-you-can, sort of attitude. In a properly functioning society, there's no place for the Martindale types in any business that wants to function, not even as a night janitor.
While I agree that the Dr.'s post is incoherent, and in fact that seems to be the main takeaway from his essay, I don't agree with you either.
When God punishes evildoers He is מתיירא ומתעלה ומתקדש.
But when the a secular Zionist army (whose motto is "God does not protect the Jews' and 'We care for gays and for mingling of the sexes') punishes Arabs does anyone view it that way?
What about when a community which cares naught for the fact that it has a 45% attrition rate and low growth cares much about killing Arabs?
This is essentially the Chazon Ish's point why there is no מורידין ולא מעלין today.
This isn't my entire halachic opinion on the subject but it is the most direct response to your post.
The kashrut of the IDF and the retention rates of the dati leumi community have nothing to do with whether the Arabs should be expelled or not, whether from the halachic or ethical or common sense point of view. Your argument is also incoherent.
If you are discussing the practical aspect of whether the Arabs need to be expelled you are right, but it it didn't appear to me that this essay was about that. It was about the Kiddush Hashem vs. Chillul Hashem. Your point was that God considers this a Kiddush Hashem. My response is that when it is clear to everyone that this an act of God to punish evildoers it is a Kiddush Hashem. However, when it is done for material benefits it is a Chillul Hashem. When the IDF does it it isn't viewed as the latter, for good reason unfortunately.
I don't enjoy this kind of debating-thorough analogy.
All I'm saying is that I don't think the pessukim prove anything. The relevant question here is whether the world would view this as an act of God or rather as proof that the Zionist Jews are not people of God.
A plain reading of the Rambam definitely seems to me to argue for annihilation of thr enemies of the Jewish people. So much so that Rav Goren needs to argue that the Rambam had an incorrect reading of the gemara in order to argue for a more lenient approach to our enemies. I'd suggest Dr. Martin should read the Rambam on what a Chillul Hashem is, surprisingly, it has nothing to do with appeasing leftists.
I see people like him as living in a fantasy. He clearly believes it's possible to live without war. In the real world however, we ask ourselves, what is more moral? For Arabs to die or for more Jewish soldiers to die because we don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done? I'm sure we all know someone affected by the war. The brother of someone in my company (pluga not chevra) killed himself after doing 10 months in Gaza. It's not Jewish or moral to cause more of that because your trying to impress I don't know who. If Dr. Martin is calling 95 percent of frumpy Jews not from, maybe it's just him who isn't from.
It's a highly cartoonish representation of Israeli society. Sort of like Indian women who come to the US and resentfully express no desire to shop at Walmart.
"Tali Ketzef does not really need champagne to go wild and revel! All it takes is Bernstien's stunning coloraturas in Cunegonde's ravishing Glitter and be Gay!
Yael Kareth is at the piano and all we have to do is go with them on this wild roller coaster ride! "
😂😂😂 i read (and translated) his article. I used a free unlock to read the rest of it only for him to admit that actually he doesn't have the stomach for war. I don't blame him, war is terrible and scary. But so is being kidnapped, murdered, or hit by a rocket. Coming back to your article and rereading the title "Genocide isn't nice" put a big smile on my face. Your article did not disappoint.
Yeah, you nailed it. War isn't fun, it's terrible and scary, but so is being kidnapped,murdered, or hit by a rocket, all signaling what? That we're already at war.
Some day people like the Doc will realize that we're already at war and the only reason we suffer the limited expressions of it is because soldiers are winning elsewhere.
There is only one reason for applying the ridiculous "moral" codes to warfare in the present era and that is to tie Israel's hands, to keep it from winning any wars. I have yet to see any country, except Israel abide by those mendacious codes that lead one of the parties in war to sacrifice its own soldiers and populations for the purpose of sparing those of the enemy.
In Israel the entrenched Left, or as I refer to them, the Stewards (Lord of the Rings III) insist on abiding by those immoral codes, because they wish to keep the Right wing governments that the people keep electing, from ever decisively winning. The results that we have seen over the past decades indicate the goal. It's gotten to the point where there are those on the left who openly admit that they consider religious Jews and Jews on the Right to be a greater threat to them than the Arabs.
Among our frenemies the insistence on Israel abiding by this code is entirely hypocritical and can be dismissed forthwith. Even as Israel sacrificed its precious fathers and sons to ensure minimum "collateral" casualties in the Gaza hell-hole, most countries embargoed us nonetheless.
Should any government in Israel ever come to its senses and shift the responsibility for our enemies' "innocents" back to our enemies where it belongs, we will find that - other than Israel's Stewards - the rest of the world will respect, rather than abhor, us for it. There is nothing like showing some self-respect for gaining the respect of others.
As to Matindale, I checked out his substack page. If the man was any fuller of hot air, he'd float away and no longer trouble us with his "nonZionism" and "Israel-Palestine" nonsense. Narcissism doesn't begin to describe his mental condition.
I hesitate to comment, being from the land of the Bad Orange Man, but I am forced to observe that no one in the modern Middle East has to deal with the Catheginans. There's a reason for that.
If one seeks to know the ins and outs, as it were, of "faggotry", one needn't look further than the stony halls of Oxbridge, where, for close to a millennium, a frenzied chorus of "pull his pants down" has echoed about the goth and gargoyle of those once fine institutions.
I have Celtic Prophecy:
…I see… The Future….
At GazAMaga Mediterranean Resort & Casino …. “Marty” will be your Croupier this evening…. Hit or stay?
I don't gamble, sorry, man
Well perhaps Marty can be the waiter At GazAlMargo… ?
Doctor Martindale will get a tenured university position, just like Amir Hetzroni
I’m Irish ☘️ and allowed to dream with prophecy ….
…you may return to dismal mundane moping….
Cheers…
No business owner would ever hire someone who came in with a smug, I-know-how-to-run-the-business-more-ethically-than-you-can, sort of attitude. In a properly functioning society, there's no place for the Martindale types in any business that wants to function, not even as a night janitor.
“The Martindale”
The academic Martinet
Well done Eve Bieber
'Martinet', funny but so true, the long warred.
Realists in academia are as common as atheists in foxholes.
While I agree that the Dr.'s post is incoherent, and in fact that seems to be the main takeaway from his essay, I don't agree with you either.
When God punishes evildoers He is מתיירא ומתעלה ומתקדש.
But when the a secular Zionist army (whose motto is "God does not protect the Jews' and 'We care for gays and for mingling of the sexes') punishes Arabs does anyone view it that way?
What about when a community which cares naught for the fact that it has a 45% attrition rate and low growth cares much about killing Arabs?
This is essentially the Chazon Ish's point why there is no מורידין ולא מעלין today.
This isn't my entire halachic opinion on the subject but it is the most direct response to your post.
The kashrut of the IDF and the retention rates of the dati leumi community have nothing to do with whether the Arabs should be expelled or not, whether from the halachic or ethical or common sense point of view. Your argument is also incoherent.
If you are discussing the practical aspect of whether the Arabs need to be expelled you are right, but it it didn't appear to me that this essay was about that. It was about the Kiddush Hashem vs. Chillul Hashem. Your point was that God considers this a Kiddush Hashem. My response is that when it is clear to everyone that this an act of God to punish evildoers it is a Kiddush Hashem. However, when it is done for material benefits it is a Chillul Hashem. When the IDF does it it isn't viewed as the latter, for good reason unfortunately.
Was 1967 a Kiddush Hashem or Chillul Hashem?
What the essay was about was different ways to garb personal weakness, cowardice and arrogance in religious clothing.
To the extent that the saving of the Jewish people and the return to their land is viewed as an act of God it is a Kiddush Hashem.
Do I need to go through the tedious exercise of drawing the parallels?
I don't enjoy this kind of debating-thorough analogy.
All I'm saying is that I don't think the pessukim prove anything. The relevant question here is whether the world would view this as an act of God or rather as proof that the Zionist Jews are not people of God.
A plain reading of the Rambam definitely seems to me to argue for annihilation of thr enemies of the Jewish people. So much so that Rav Goren needs to argue that the Rambam had an incorrect reading of the gemara in order to argue for a more lenient approach to our enemies. I'd suggest Dr. Martin should read the Rambam on what a Chillul Hashem is, surprisingly, it has nothing to do with appeasing leftists.
I see people like him as living in a fantasy. He clearly believes it's possible to live without war. In the real world however, we ask ourselves, what is more moral? For Arabs to die or for more Jewish soldiers to die because we don't have the stomach to do what needs to be done? I'm sure we all know someone affected by the war. The brother of someone in my company (pluga not chevra) killed himself after doing 10 months in Gaza. It's not Jewish or moral to cause more of that because your trying to impress I don't know who. If Dr. Martin is calling 95 percent of frumpy Jews not from, maybe it's just him who isn't from.
i cant wait for his reply.
Don't hold your breath.
You both represent interesting cases of the challenges of integrating into Israeli society.
I have no interest in integrating into"Israeli society" (tm)-Eyal Golan, Shoah tkasim, hummus. I do like my neighbors.
It's a highly cartoonish representation of Israeli society. Sort of like Indian women who come to the US and resentfully express no desire to shop at Walmart.
That's right, I haven't even mentioned HaBima and the Israeli Opera!
The Israeli classical music scene is actually exceptionally good.
Oh yeah
"Tali Ketzef does not really need champagne to go wild and revel! All it takes is Bernstien's stunning coloraturas in Cunegonde's ravishing Glitter and be Gay!
Yael Kareth is at the piano and all we have to do is go with them on this wild roller coaster ride! "
Culcha, nigga!
https://israel-opera.co.il/eng/?CategoryID=1243&ArticleID=6190
I mean, it's a Bernstein opera. They also perform more standard fare (not that Bernstein is that out there). https://israel-opera.co.il/eng/?CategoryID=1283
Would you say the same of all right wing Jewish movements which see non-governmental violence as a valid tool for defending Jewish national interests?
(I am not a Kahanist, by the way, but do not disavow Kahanist ideology)